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the tale of two trees

Sadly, the first tree never is able to find the sense of peace that self-esteem provides. It can make me feel like, "Oh, I could pass the test too.". There's trees that are good to look at, there's trees for food, and then in the middle of the garden... Tim: ...with one river flowing out and then flowing down to become the four rivers that water all the corners of the earth so to speak. It doesn't say "if you eat from the trees of knowing good and bad I will kill you." Tim: In theological lingo, it'd be total depravity but in a sociological way, and the way the biblical narrative works, each generation inherits not of their own asking, they inherit the mess that their parents created and it predisposes them to fail in same way and in more grievous way. The first command is to eat of all the trees. So we're back to Adam and Eve as royal priests. So God said, "Have you eaten from the tree?" In brief, we have had many, many conversations about the meaning of the tree. “Well, at least I have more apples on my branches.”, The second tree looked over at the first tree. The first seed pushed his roots deep into the ground. But what the knowing of good and bad did, especially because they took it in a way that God told them not to take it, the first negative consequence is they realize their otherness from each other. We want life to make sense. Thank you for being a part of this with us. You might really enjoy being a tree!” She placed him into his bed of earth. Tim: Tov and ra'. He deceived me..." Jon: Which is true. The permanently corrosive effects of taking from the tree are illuminated further at Mount Sinai, when Moses meets God at a tree (the burning bush) on a high place and receives God’s commands. You're ruling the world together. “It’s like a lullaby,” he thought. It's attractive. And then I start making decisions that seem good in my eyes. It's actually a step before that. That's the image here. And enjoy all the rest." Tim: That's right. But also this narrative is explaining my experience. Her eyes sparkled. It's the tale of two trees so to speak. We remember that there were trees in the garden of God, trees that God himself planted. “Don’t pick so many,” scolded the first tree. Tree of Life And then all sudden... Tim: Yeah, that's right. "I will now sail the roaring oceans," thought the second tree. But yet this seed will also suffer by the snake striking in some way. Jon: How are you going to get the wisdom. Across the patchwork landscape, a snow-capped mountain loomed. God also plants many trees there. And those choices could affect your friend - maybe what you do with the money may split up resources or how you apportion vacation time off. "I will be the mightiest of all sailing vessels." In the middle of the garden is the tree of life, a common image in ancient cultures. Think of these two trees as being next to each other in the garden. It's another way they're similar. It feels not a test I would want give anyone. The second tree thought, “Wow, I’ve never seen anything like this! And to rule, you need wisdom. That's the way these trees relate to each other. But that's not just from the garden narrative. Another tree is found in the middle of the garden, the tree of knowing good and bad. Jon: I don't know. So I kind of can understand that. What if they had repented? ", Jon: But then God says, "You can't eat of the tree because now you know good from the bad because you are like me. Let me tell you what God knows because I've heard Him talk about it." And it's the taking that leads them to start killing each other in the next chapter. You're born into a scene where you're already set up to fail. And the middle of the garden as the Holy of holies - the throne of God. I use The Bible Project as part of my teaching projects and with the youth conference that I'm also participating on. Tim: The reason that the tree is there in the garden, it's a powerful image of the nature of all human experience. [foreign language 00:49:05], By using this website, I acknowledge that I am 16 years of age or older, and I agree to the. It's a mercy to them. God wants His people to have the knowledge of the right thing and the wrong thing, but it has to do with listening to God's voice first and foremost. “You sure work hard,” he told them. In the lives of the two trees, we see how these two contrasting approaches affect the search for happiness. So this reframes what the command about the tree of knowing good and bad is then. 58m, –  Good job. Trees don't even need to be watered! Anyway. Now their otherness becomes a sense of alienation and division. We’ll back to health. The years went by. We're a crowdfunded project by people like me. The reason that the tree is there in the garden is it's a powerful image of the nature of all human experience. Tim: Ah, I see. Although the two trees couldn’t talk to each other, a friendship developed between them as they stood day after day together on the peaceful hill. And it's where His throne is. That's where I'm at. Tim: I don't know what actually happened. He puts it right in the middle of the garden right next to the tree of life. They came from an apple tree that had given fruit and cool shade to her family for many years. Like we take that just naturally. It's such a rich, multi-layered, little poetic line. FOR // Holding on to Hope 12685 Ulmerton Rd, Largo, FL 33774, USA. Tim: But I think it's one that becomes much more clear as you go throughout the story. I first heard about The Bible Project as a YouTube recommendation, and then I hooked on it. That is the good thing for me. You're creating a new value in the world that didn't exist before. When I was a new convert--having been brought from spiritual death to spiritual life--one of the things that I distinctly remember seeing with new eyes were trees. Except there's one tree they're forbidden to eat fruit. Despite being nearly identical, their paths follow different paths. God commands humans to enjoy the gift of eternal life. Jon: You have chosen to gain wisdom on your own terms. But the choice is, am I going to define good and evil, good and bad? It has a calm sense of self that is evident with true self-esteem. And then all of a sudden, I'm eating from the wrong tree and it seems like the right thing to do. Tim: The Bible came into existence within a culture that existed and lived and traveled between the Mediterranean Sea on the eastern end and the Persian Gulf across the desert. Tim: They often do. God's pointing me towards life." The second tree shook with excitement. Tim: To experience and eat from the tree of life, you have to walk by the tree of knowing good and bad and not take from it. No, here's what God knows. The thing that he asked them to do was to enjoy eternal life. It's like, yeah, that kind of speaks to just the human condition. The tree of life resonates and contrasts with ancient imagery by showing life as a gift that God wants to give humanity. Jon: And then they play that forward. Jon: It's interesting you have humans who are kind of in their infancy and then you have the serpent who is arum. And so a human meeting personally becoming one with the presence of God in the middle of the garden is depicted through this image of eating from the tree and it's as if the fruit conveys God's life to the human through that proximity and intimacy. “The children have eaten most of my apples and now she won’t be proud of me.” His leaves twitched nervously. It's also about me and my failures and how my failures participate in the whole human species failure as far back as we can tell. Which means that eternal life for a creature that has coveted wisdom by my own taking... Tim: ...that wouldn't be a curse. That includes the tree of life. And so he exiles them from the garden. The snake's head will be crashed. And that's true in this narrative. This why we've shifted from using the word "evil" to the word "bad." Tim: We shoot in the dark a lot of times. And we talked about that tree. The second tree, however, is able to experience the wind in a comforting and soothing way. Tim: Because the author can assume that a cultural understanding that, okay, in biblical faith that God isn't a tree, but the tree is a place where humans meet God because it's in the middle of the garden. She's like, "No, it's ridiculous. Jon: Keeping up the tree of life while living in a state of death means that they don't have to live forever in death. The second tree enjoyed the buzzing of the busy little bees. When God shows up and says, "Hey, have you eaten..." He asked them a question. To eat from one, you have to walk by the other. Let me tell you a tale of two trees. How can I grow perfect apples with damaged blossoms?” He rustled his leaves and tried to keep the children away. Both trees, fulfilled by the Gardner’s visit, lived many happy years on the grassy hillside. They came from an apple tree that had given fruit and cool shade to her family for many years. It's a step of going, "You know, as it pertains to my relationships with others. "Your eyes will be opened.". Tim: Yeah, that's right. He gives her a chance. So I think it's introducing this creature having two possibilities before it. It looks good but God said that will kill me. Damage from the recent storm in Bronxville, photo by Sandy Hesselbacher. After God in humans, they're the most talked about organic living thing. And then you got, let's say, now a 12-year-old. Eat of that tree and you'll die. Tim: If you just go through the Abraham stories in Genesis 12 to the end of his life in chapter 25, and get a green marker and a brown marker and highlight trees and mountains, they're everywhere. Tim: If I was like Abraham in that one moment when he did nothing but looked up in the sky and just trusted God, that was when he passed the test. Jon: What could Adam and Eve do about it when their truth about them was exposed? The fourth pillar, the art of being self assertive, suggests that we must think and live life for ourselves. • Day 10: Leaving Corcovado National Park, • Day 9: Sirena Ranger Station, Corcovado, • Day 8: Hiking the Corcovado, Costa Rica, • Day 7: Drive to Pureto Jimenez, Costa Rica. You can ask me questions like: How to Read the Bible: The Books of Solomon, Are Humans Naturally Immortal? I think there's a powerful truth to that. “Where is the Gardner? Humanity is in an infant state. A Tale of Two Trees. Tim: It is true, but it's passing the buck. Hi I’m Support Bot! “I will be the best tree ever and make the Gardner proud,” he told himself. A Tale of Two Trees. They will admire my apples and the Gardner will be proud.”. Tim: Why is God coming asking questions? Jon: At this point in the narrative you're kind of like, "Uh." It seems like that would be a good thing for me to have. This is very important. Good and bad representing not just good and evil as philosophical moral categories, but good and bad in terms of... Jon: Things that create life and things that break things down. It's a wonderful friend that I've had since childhood and it's just awesome. Correct. Welcome, especially to the story of Moses. It's a paraphrase, but that's the idea. Jon: That what I experience. Jon: It's the ability to be able to creatively use wisdom? They were excited! So the high mountain, trees, and the river flowing out of it. Jon: But is there some sort of then conversation you said about there was a chance for repentance? –  Christ chooses the path of obedience that leads him to the tree. I won’t have enough to make the Gardner proud,” he worried. We just come into the world and just gorge on that fruit. God said that it will kill me but I think that it will actually make me wise and I want that. And both were situated to show off one of Las Cruces' best features, the Organ Mountains. …the tale of two trees… by The Shady Family I can’t even tell you how proud of myself I am for coming up with the title of this blog, I’m a regular Charles Dickens. "What did you do?". The sixth pillar, the art of personal integrity, is evident throughout the story but particularly when the second tree is struck by lightning. Actually, don't quote me on that. This choice between life and death is played out in Genesis 3 with Adam and Eve and in Genesis 4 with Cain and Abel. He played with the kids all afternoon. But what is it like for just something to click on all of a sudden, it's like, I don't know good from bad like a child, and now all of a sudden, I'm like Elohim? I don't want you to die die. He felt a sense of peace and comfort in the fact that he could actually help and give of himself to the world. That's once again true to the human condition. She should bring me a drink.”, “It is hot and I am very thirsty,” the second tree thought, “I will push my roots deeper into the ground and find water.”. ” something” told me to Google the story of the Two Trees…strange because I have never herd of this before…I really enjoyed the story and will pass it along to the person who purchases it..my website is Artbycdy.com. Her visit today was special. “My Apples will be small and bitter if I don’t get water,” complained the first tree. That's Genesis 2. The tale of two trees By johnafthmorris | September 13, 2018 | 0 johnafthmorris | September 13, 2018 | 0 Tim: That's right. Jon: The first command is to eat eat. The first command doesn’t place the tree of life off limits. Then the Lord God took the human and put him into the garden of Eden to work it and keep it. They hung a rope swing from one of his big branches. He is living a live trying to please others to gain external praise and admiration, which he mistakenly thinks will bring him happiness. They have the next generation within them. We're going to talk about a couple of the main characters in the Old Testament narrative and their relationship with trees, Noah, and Abraham. It doesn't look bad. And I start to feel like I deserve some more time off. As the morning light chased away the darkness, a young Gardner sat on a quiet hillside gazing down into a valley. It looks awesome, but I'm going to avoid it so that I can keep enjoying access to life. So I will take what I want. And what the man says is he blames the woman. This guy's constantly having significant moments of his life in front of trees on top of really tall hills. And the struggle is kind of like, am I going to let myself get away with the bad thing? Remember, just like wisdom, you can be wise to terrible ends, you can be wise towards good ends. At the end of this segment, Tim and Jon discuss the question of whether Adam and Eve missed a chance to repent in the garden. It looks awesome but I'm going to avoid it so that I can keep enjoying access to life. But I take it without knowing it. Tim: That's the first command actually. Sacred trees, the top high places where either the gods are the tree, like in Egypt or Canaanite culture, Asherah, (fertility goddess) symbolized by ritual trees on high places. And have you eaten? There are two types of "trees"; ones that produce fruit and the other that produces tea leaves. Jon: Because you think about like if...let's take children who don't know good from bad. Jon: I guess the other interesting thing is that it's about the knowledge of good and bad, not like a specific moral choice. I'm going to take that power and authority on myself for myself.". One hot, hot summer, the trees were thirsty. This story is meant to illuminate the human condition while also explaining the choice before each of us. “Those children are not being careful,” thought the first tree. These moments of testing in the Bible are often a choice between something that is good and something that seems good. The third pillar, the art of being self-responsible, is exemplified when the trees need water. In the middle of a situation that seems hopeless, God makes a promise to humanity that a seed from their line will undo what has been done. Jon: So as people have thought about that, what do they think... Text: Genesis 2: 9; Revelation 22: 1-4 (esp. “Look at all the people in the valley. Tim: We have in other videos and conversations talked about the scene. Tim: Two trees. Third, it gives me something that I want. Over the years, the hillside became a favorite place for the villagers to relax, play, and admire the valley. Copy. But this creature knows what's up. The serpent inverts the words of God, and the woman sees, desires, and takes from the tree of knowing good and bad. The first tree is so concerned with finding external praise that he cannot begin to even comprehend the true benefits of the fruit he has to offer. I’m so proud of you. Who told you naked? We need to have a souped-up upgraded version of humanity that can truly partner with God and bring about the new Eden. Jon: Another thing is there's something very corruptive about eating of this tree where it's not like God can say, "Hey guys, bad idea. The first tree requires praise from the Gardner for his sense of purpose. The first tree looked over at the second tree. Tim: Yeah. 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